MMR insert text is thin and transparent

[schonb25]

If anyone has a machine with issues near Cicero, IL, that would be ideal, right?

[IndianaPwns]

I think what lowrent is saying sounds right. Looks like it's just more for light to pass through. Like other inserts didn't get a second pass (?) or something was amuke with the printer.

[Lowrent]

Another thing... Screen printing is done with thick inks, almost like paste. The process requires the ink to be diluted, to achieve a really specific viscosity. A constant room temperature and humidity is important. Viscosity will also change during the process as the ink will evaporate a bit, over time.

I think that's why we see different opacity amongst pictures. Viscosity changes. Thin ink, shadowy text. Thick ink, opaque text.

I'm no expert, that's only my hypothesis.

[PPS]

black is not always screened over white, especially on white inserts as this was not the original art (and generally not done as if there are any registration errors the white will show thru).


rick

[adie161265]

Well it is disappointing but I can't see what could be done, I guess we will have to live with it but a free colour DMD upgrade might just ease my disappointment 

[Drewblood419]

I think the big problem is that on earlier runs of MMR this problem did not exist but on later runs it does. So what changed to give the inconsistency between these batches. If it were on every MMR out there I can understand the argument of it just being that way but it is not. Inconsistency between 2 runs of the same part/product=manufacturing defect

[Drewblood419]

Post  #61 on this page shows the issue on the new PF run and post #70 shows how much darker the lettering on the inserts are on the earlier run (#292) so it's clearly a difference in batches

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[TaylorVA]

Rick-  what is CGCs response on this issue? Do they recognize it is one?

[PPS]

Post  #61 on this page shows the issue on the new PF run and post #70 shows how much darker the lettering on the inserts are on the earlier run (#292) so it's clearly a difference in batches

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No, that is the problem, post #61 is a strange picture in that you cannot see any art around the playfield, so the exposure is off relative to other pictures, that is why this more difficult as cannot see an 'apples to apples' to see what might be going on.


I've passed the threads over to CGC and to Stern and they are very aware of it, and Stern factory replied to me over the weekend that they are looking at this to see if it's something they are now able to detect (assuming it's a difference), and putting in steps to identify any playfield (dark, under light) issues. I'm sure all Stern's games are testing in daylight/light, which probably is why it's not been seen by them.


rick

[Drewblood419]

 Good to hear, I agree that it is hard to see the issue when the insert lights are not on however I can duplicate the issue by shining my cell phone flashlight at the insert.   That being said post number 70 on that page is clearly lit with  solid text  when I get home this evening I can take a natural light picture of my insert lit and not lit  as well as it lit by a flashlight to show different variables in the lighting  and transparency. I will also do my best to reach out to customers with lower production numbers and see if I can get a few really clear pictures for comparison sake.  On a positive note the machine is a blast and can't get enough of it I just want to thank you Rick for bringing this game to production and wish both you and CGC the best of luck with all remakes going forward

[Lowrent]

When you take a picture, place something with pure white and pure black beside the insert. That way, we have a reference, something to compare.
Ideally, we should all use the same thing, something we all have in common. Maybe the back of a credit card ? The magnetic line is deep black (hide any sensitive info)

[Drewblood419]

Plenty of examples posted in this thread of both new playfields with the issue and early runs without it as well as videos of the issue

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[Pablito]

Most telling example of the problem is pinside user sandersj post #93 on the topic below. He has 2 MMRs. Number 137 (early run) and number 670 (later run). He has looked at both and said the early one was noticeably darker than the later one.


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[jamieflowers]

Mine came in today #996 (not likely the 996th of the line just the number I paid for) and my inserts also look like crap when lit.  Hopefully they figure something out for this (and that its NOT adding stickers or some crap)

[Nilroc]

I have not received my Black Trim MMRLE yet.
Have advised JJP to tell CGC to not ship my machine until this problem with the insert ink is rectified.
I will not accept mediocre quality when your spending thousands of dollars.
It is an obvious problem judging from the comments from owners of machines from earlier runs.
I don't know what they can do for the people that had their machines already delivered.
It's a real mess!